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MacArthur

2004-11-25 16:04:49 UTC

12:30 PM:

17 seconds for Nf.General!
10 seconds for Nf.Wanted!
<1 second for sci.geo.satellite-nav

I have complained :( about this for the past 3 months!

Randy Dodge replied and said it is normal???

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Teeter Totter

2004-11-25 18:09:43 UTC

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Can someone explain to me how it is a problem with the newsgroup when it is
only affecting certain people? I think that only Rogers people are having a
problem with the slow loading of these groups (am I correct?) If so, then
wouldn't it be a Rogers issue? Someone enlighten me :)

Post by MacArthur
17 seconds for Nf.General!
10 seconds for Nf.Wanted!
<1 second for sci.geo.satellite-nav
I have complained :( about this for the past 3 months!
Randy Dodge replied and said it is normal???
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Have a nice day,
M

Anyone else find it slow loading the posts?

Young Martle

2004-11-25 18:37:41 UTC

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Post by Teeter Totter
Can someone explain to me how it is a problem with the newsgroup when it is
only affecting certain people? I think that only Rogers people are having a
problem with the slow loading of these groups (am I correct?) If so, then
wouldn't it be a Rogers issue? Someone enlighten me :)

always painfully slooooow for me.

I'm with Rogers

Randy Dodge

2004-11-25 21:41:43 UTC

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I've asked before for data and haven't seen much in order to do comparisons.

I've checked the Aliant servers but can't check on Rogers.

On Aliant, nf.general has 132,520 articles
wanted 99,648
sci.geo.sat-nav 1,376
I've asked you in the past to please check equivalent groups on your ISP
for a comparison. Pick a non-NF group that has 100,000 articles in it and
see what the loading time is. Also, what newsreader are you using and how
do you have it configured for article loading/retention expiration, etc.

Anyone else find it slow loading the posts?

MacArthur

2004-11-25 23:16:43 UTC

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Randy,

I am a average-joe subscriber using OE as a newsreader. I am not aware of
how I could check for the info you mention.

I use the groups below as a benchmark because they generate the same amount
of daily traffic (100-200 posts). That would indicate to me that they are
comparable. However the response is not comparable.

Nf.Wanted is generally not a problem; but today all the NF.groups were
really slow.

Nf.General is usually slow (10 seconds refresh time) when all other groups
are satisfactory.

It would seem from the posts in this thread that Rogers' is the culprit.
This seems to affect the NF.Groups only!

Does anyone know why?
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Thanks and have a nice day,

M

Post by Randy Dodge
I've asked before for data and haven't seen much in order to do comparisons.
I've checked the Aliant servers but can't check on Rogers.
On Aliant, nf.general has 132,520 articles
wanted 99,648
sci.geo.sat-nav 1,376
I've asked you in the past to please check equivalent groups on your ISP
for a comparison. Pick a non-NF group that has 100,000 articles in it and
see what the loading time is. Also, what newsreader are you using and how
do you have it configured for article loading/retention expiration, etc.

Anyone else find it slow loading the posts?

Rick Byrne

2004-11-29 01:46:46 UTC

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Well this could be a good reason, if you have ever noticed people living in
newfounland always complain that Rodgers is slow compared to aliant but
thats only if the people are using aliants service and the same goes for
people useing Rodgers service says aliant slow. Well the thing with this
newsgroup is that if it is posted and updated using a alaint connection it
will seem slower to Rodgers customers. The reason for this is because for
Rodgers customers to communicate with alaint customers the signal has to
leave newfounland and come back again and the same with aliant customers
trying to connect with rodgers customers. So anyone using alaints service
will load nf.newsgroups much faster then Rodgers customers. If you don't
belive me go to the command prompt and type tracert [rodgers customer IP]
and this will show you the routers that the signal has to travel before it
can get back.

hopefully this helped to resolve some of the issues

regards Rick

Post by MacArthur
Randy,
I am a average-joe subscriber using OE as a newsreader. I am not aware of
how I could check for the info you mention.
I use the groups below as a benchmark because they generate the same
amount of daily traffic (100-200 posts). That would indicate to me that
they are comparable. However the response is not comparable.
Nf.Wanted is generally not a problem; but today all the NF.groups were
really slow.
Nf.General is usually slow (10 seconds refresh time) when all other groups
are satisfactory.
It would seem from the posts in this thread that Rogers' is the culprit.
This seems to affect the NF.Groups only!
Does anyone know why?
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Thanks and have a nice day,
M

Anyone else find it slow loading the posts?

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Mardon

2004-12-03 19:37:29 UTC

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Randy,

As of about 15:15 on 2004-12-03, I'm finding that it's taking about 15
seconds to download a message body associated with nf.general headers that
I've previously downloaded. Earlier this morning it was almost
instantaneous. Here's the information that your requested:
Using NNTP server: news.nl.rogers.com
Connected via Rogers ip: 205.251.79.72

The Rogers news server has the following article counts:
nf.general: 193,858 headers and 65,535 articles
nf.wanted: 149,563 headers and 65,535 articles
sci.geo.sat-nav: 339 headers and 339 articles

It would appear that Rogers puts a 64MB (2^16) limit on the maximum article
retention count.

I'm using two different news readers. Both readers exhibit identical
download delays.
Agent v 2.0/32.652
Outlook Express 6 v 65.535

I've tried several retention settings in both new readers and none of these
changes have solved the slow download behaviour of nf.general. My current
Outlet Express setting is to delete news messages 5 days after being
downloaded.

I can not find any 'non-nf' groups on the Rogers news server that contain
over 100,000 as you requested (there are not even any that contain the
maximum 65,535 articles). I have also searched for a publicly available
news server that contains a group with over 100,000 articles and I can not
find any of these either. I thought news.microsoft.com might have some
really big groups but I couldn't find any with over 30,000 messages. Randy,
do you know of such a server and group, so that I can perform the test that
you've requested?

I hope this is the type of information that you'll find helpful.

Stephen Martin

2005-01-17 18:15:14 UTC

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I have the exact some problem only for the nf.* groups. When this exact
thread was going a few months ago I did as Randy suggested and serveral of
the groups you're been subscribed too for months are as big or bigger then
nf.* and loaded in a faction of the time.

Checked again today after reading this thread and the same result. The other
group load much faster for some reason.

Stephen Martin

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